by ikansadinmknorang

KUA KIA SOONG, a so called defence expert from the opposition, leader of SUARAM are again making headlines.
A self proclaimed expert who had no idea whatsoever on national defence, but still want to talk about it. He wrote a book which only have news quotes and nothing about defence in particular, been trying to undermine National Defence via REFSA few months back and were monitoring him still....

Here are the link from Free Malaysia Today, an article which revolves on the Mistral which is still not confirmed but the oppositions and NGO bastards had already making noise, allegations and perception among mass public....

These guys really dont care about national defence, they simply want a political bullet to gain political support...and we have seen this many times over and over again from their accusation on Scorpene to AV8....use defence so as to get attention and later gain political support while at the same time creating misconception, perceptions and worst lies after lies....

In our first part of the long writing to counter his article in FMT, were gonna bash and blast him slowly and surely and gave mass public the real truth on what these buggers has been doing all these while selling lies to the mass public....


There are still words going around that our subs were second hand and the procurement are filled with scandals and corruptions.... certain quarters still believe that a mongolian women who had never learn French and only speaks Russian and had little command of English can be a translator, mediator and arms dealer involved in Scorpene procurement which even the men from the submarine force had never encounter during their 5 years stay in France....(lawak parok kelakor yang masih ramai perchaya..dan terus perchaya)....funny a dead women who cant speak English, no French et al and have no idea on government to government military procurement albeit were only a model of sort were.

"Do we need this equipment? Lessons from the Scorpene submarine purchases
Before our defence ministry commits any public funds to these purchases, Malaysian taxpayers should learn the lessons from our purchase of the two French Scorpene submarines. The cost of two Scorpene submarines together with logistic support and training was close to 1 billion euros (RM5 billion). Then there was the payment to Perimekar Sdn Bhd for “coordination services” of 114 million euros (at the time, close to RM500 million). Malaysian taxpayers will still need to pay even more for maintenance services, support & test equipment, missiles and torpedoes, infrastructure for the submarine base, training of crew, etc. The total bill for these two submarines will be in excess of RM7 billion."

Now why many questioned the purchase of the subs...?

Tge subs was purchase based on government to government agreement... direct contract with the manufacturer is a must and RMN does this to avoid leak of information which related to the subs operational capabilities and requirements..... one should know submarine is a strategic weapons that every one wanted to know the nook and cranny of it... how many propeller blades... what type of anechoic tiles were used... the location of towed sonar... sonar frequency.. type of sonar dome and its ancillary equipment.... all these information will lead to easy detection of the subs by our enemy anti subs assets and RMN surely dont want any of that information falls into the wrong hand... Thus the programme were made not in the PR favourite open tender....
Comissions of a third party...?

As what admin said...the accusation made by certain quarters was baseless and based on the document review made in France.... the court find no base or reason to commence a trial.... The purchase of the sub has been clean all along... all 153 documents related to the sub procurement and construction has been reviewed and there is no findings that relates to the accusations made by oppositions...

You wanna say that French court also corrupt kah...?

Only people with certain agenda 'serkap jarang' and create baseless accusations and perception to RMN procurement.... just to create ketidakpercayaan..... And mistrust
Opposition are playing with Perimekar factor, saying that this company is siphoning millions of Euros to benefactors in France.... again there is no proof of the said accusation and SUARAM made a complaint about it... Taking the so called scandal to French court... but as a writing says....

"this is not an open court hearing but merely an application by Suaram who filed a criminal complaint, together with an application to join the proceedings as a civil party -- Civil Party Petition -- before a judge in chambers. The judge will first have to look through the evidence and determine whether a crime has been committed before ordering a trial.

Based on Suaram’s application, the prosecutor ordered the Tribunal De Grande Instance in Paris to investigate the allegations of impropriety in the submarine contract. The result of this police investigation runs into hundreds of pages from D1 to D153, which you can read below.
The idea to initiate a campaign to keep the Scorpene submarines issue alive until the 13th General Election was mooted by R. Sivarasa and Tian Chua some time back in 2009. Sivarasa and Tian Chua discussed the matter with Anwar Ibrahim who decided that Suaram would be the best vehicle to use to initiate the action.

French lawyers were then engaged to act on behalf of Suaram to apply to the French court for a probe to be conducted on all the companies and personalities involved in the submarines contract. This was a sort of ‘class action suit’ to be taken by Suaram but Suaram had to first convince the court that it had locus standi on the matter. Suaram was presented to the court as an international NGO similar in status to Amnesty International whose job is to uphold democracy and human rights. This pleading to the court can be seen in the first document, document D1, below. Most of the police investigation reports submitted to the court were quite routine in nature, touching on the background of all the French and Malaysian companies involved in the contract plus the role of the various personalities from these companies, including tracking the money trail. It traces the history of the entire transaction to the present day and it explores whether there are any criminal elements in how the transaction was conducted."

..and to get everyone attention... Perimekar were not a money siphoning fake company but instead they were the submarine crew liaison or agency in France.. which engage in providing logistic support to RMN submarine crew and their families in France...

Had anyone know what perimekar really did in France....

here is what Perimekar is....

"Syarikat Perimekar Sdn. Bhd. yang didakwa menerima komisen, sebenarnya diberikan kontrak menyediakan perkhidmatan sokongan dan koordinasi untuk tempoh selama enam tahun. Nilai kontrak tersebut adalah sebanyak EURO 114.96 juta, yang dibayar secara berperingkat-peringkat mengikut kemajuan pelaksanaan projek.
Perimekar Sdn Bhd dimiliki bersama oleh Lembaga Tabung Angkatan Tentera (LTAT), Boustead Holdings Berhad dan K.S.Ombak Laut Sdn. Bhd

Skop kerja perkhidmatan sokongan adalah seperti berikut:

Menyediakan kemudahan kediaman beserta kelengkapan untuk tim projek bagi 27 keluarga di Perancis dan Sepanyol untuk tempoh enam tahun.

Menyediakan pejabat urusan dan kediaman beserta kelengkapan bagi krew kapal selam TLDM seramai 156 orang untuk tempoh empat tahun di Perancis dan Sepanyol.
Menyediakan insurans kesihatan bagi anggota serta keluarga tim projek dan krew kapal selam di Perancis dan Sepanyol
Membayar elaun harian dan elaun krew kapal selam sebanyak EURO 50 sehari seorang untuk tiga tahun pertama dan EURO 60 sehari seorang untuk tiga tahun kedua.
Membiayai kos penerbangan pergi dan balik bagi setiap krew kapal selam untuk balik bercuti ke Malaysia pada setiap 4 bulan (tiga kali setahun).

Lain-lain keperluan tim projek dan krew kapal selam di Perancis dan Sepanyol

Perkhidmatan koordinasi pula melibatkan:
Bertanggungjawab memastikan penyertaan syarikat Malaysia dalam pembinaan dan membantu syarikat-syarikat Malaysia yang berpotensi untuk menyertai program off-set.
Membantu kontraktor utama dalam memberi maklumat tentang prosedur kerajaan berhubung perlaksanaan kontrak.
Menyelaras latihan krew kapal selam antara kontraktor dengan kerajaan.

Menyediakan laporan koordinasi setiap enam bulan.

Defense Ministry's Public Relation officials reply"

Now which part of Perimekar 114 million Euro is for the European benefactors as Tian Chua and Kua accuse ...??..

most of the money were use for the submarine crew kan... if the siphoning of money did occurs then there should be a record of transaction and the flow of money to whatever banks and accounts....

tapi xde pun... and until today Kua, Tony Pua or Tian Chua, even Suaram or the opposition failed to prove that....

They (opposition and their allies) tried to proves their points but then there is no basis on the said accusation and it is found that the court had no base et al to call this a case....

Then one must know that Perimekar was appointed for something else... not for the purchase of the subs but to observe the progress of the construction and at the same time provide service related to the crew... they were there in France as to support our crew in terms of logistic and accomodation... apart from other needs that may arise from the crew.... they are also playing their role as the third party that oversees the kebajikan of the krew and the day to day operation of the sub construction... Read here for

The total cost of the procurement not only include the two subs and its construction cost...only... One must understand that the government had to allocate funds to pay our crew allowances while they were in France ..including training... accommodation fee to be paid to Marine Nationale.. transportation which include flight tickets for our crew from Malaysia to France.....c onstruction cost ...apart from other items like the weapons (missiles and torpedoes) for the subs... electronic arrays and equipments....

And plus DCNS and Navantia were paid by our government to complete the subs as per RMN operational standard and requirement.... trials and sea trials had to be conducted.... Test and commissioning of systems ..sub systems... Communication systems.. Electrical and mechanical arrangements and systems... air and water supplies.. Fuel.. and these are some of the total cost of the procurement that can be logically known by a thinking person...

This might gives the reader a clear idea of what really happen

"Di sini, pihak Kementerian ingin memaklumkan bahawa semua rundingan perolehan adalah dijalankan mengikut Tatacara Perlaksanaan Kontrak-Kontrak Perolehan Peralatan Pertahanan Negara oleh pegawai-pegawai kerajaan.

Ia melibatkan pelbagai peringkat kelulusan termasuk Jawatankuasa Teknikal dan Jawatankuasa Rundingan Harga setelah penilaian-penilaian yang teliti dibuat demi memastikan perolehan tersebut menepati keperluan Angkatan Tentera Malaysia.

Selain itu, rujukan juga dibuat kepada pihak Jabatan Peguam Negara bagi mendapatkan kelulusan ke atas klausa-klausa kontrak tersebut. Semua terma-terma dan kelulusan untuk rundingan terus dikemukakan kepada Kementerian Kewangan dan kontrak hanya akan ditandatangani selepas kelulusan Kementerian Kewangan diperolehi.

Berhubung dengan perolehan kapal selam Scorpene, Kementerian Pertahanan ingin menegaskan bahawa dakwaan kononnya kerajaan telah membayar komisen sebanyak RM540 juta kepada Encik Abd Razak Baginda merupakan satu tuduhan yang tidak berasas sama sekali.

Kementerian juga ingin menegaskan bahawa dalam soal perolehan kapal selam Scorpene, TIDAK ADA sebarang komisen yang dibayar kepada syarikat Perimekar Sdn. Bhd. seperti yang didakwa. Ini kerana perolehan kapal selam telah dibuat secara rundingan terus – selaras dengan tatacara perolehan kerajaan – dengan syarikat pembuat iaitu ARMARIS (Perancis) dan NAVANTIA (Sepanyol) yang telah mendapat persetujuan kerajaan masing-masing.

Defense Ministry's Public Relation officials reply"

That does not include in awarding contract to build submarine facilities at Sepanggar ....awarding contract for maintenance and logistic for the sub and sub related more crews... submarine tender vessels...and others....
End of word.... The opposition had never given any solid proof on the said submarine scandal... what they did were only creating more and more doubt among the general public....

Until now they fail to deliver any solid proof.... and all the accusations are a mere political drive to gain support and to undermine the public....


There were several reasons why Perimekar was required and able to play those role.
One was that there was a former Navy submariner or a Dolphin holder within Perimeker who was also an engineer by training.

Two, if the Government was to undertake that role in accordance with Government procedures, it could cost more and require more staff. Perimekar operated on a small staff of 5 in Cherbourg and had an office in town the size smaller than front office of a Malaysian dhoby shop.

If it had been the Government managing the affair of 27 officer's family and 127 crew which is about 500 people spread between Cherbourg in France and Brest in Spain together with the training coordination, off-set program, report preparations, etc.all due respect, but the Defense Ministry may require an Embassy set-up. Thus the need to "privatise" the work.

Thirdly, there is a possibility Perimekar helped to solve a mismatch between military officer and crew entitlement and JPA standard overseas entitlement. The JPA entitlement maybe more relevant for civilian but not in accordance with military traditional entitlement that comes with different ranks.

There may have been a wide disparity due to the high cost of living in France. Perimekar played the role of go-between and expedite matter without JPA having to prepare Cabinet paper and a Government policy just to specifically cater for the submarine project.

Finally and this is speculative on our part, Perimekar may have played the role of second or third line of double checking on the military and Government. One practise prevalent in the days of Tun Dr Mahathir administration was that the Ministers were well informed.

Since this is a Government to Government deal, there is no commission to be paid. By the way, EU restrict commission to only 2%. Perimekar was to be paid as "logistic support consultant" by Government for their work.

In the Government official reply, Defense Minister, Dato Ahmad Zahid Hamidi answer during his tenure as Defence Minister in Parliament on June 26th is equally consistent, as below

quote :
Tuan Yang Dipertua,
Sekali lagi saya ingin maklumkan Dewan Yang Mulia ini bahawa kontrak Perolehan dua buah kapal selam BARU Scorpene telah ditandatangani pada 5 Jun 2002 oleh Kerajaan Malaysia dengan Syarikat DCNS (Perancis) dan NAVANITA (Sepanyol) selaku pembekal kapal selam dan Perimekar Sdn Bhd sebagai Project Services Provider. Nilai kontrak ini ialah EURO 1.084 bilion. Skop kontrak ini terbahagi kepada dua bahagian iaitu:

a) Bahagian Pertama: Antara Kerajaan Malaysia dengan Syarikat DCNS ( Perancis ) dan NAVANITA ( Sepanyol ) merangkumi perolehan dua buah kapal selam jenis Scorpene, pakej Integrated Logistic Support (ILS) dan latihan untuk warga kapal selam Scorpene. Nilai bahagian ini ialah EURO969.15 Juta.

b) Bahagian Kedua: Antara Kerajaan Malaysia dengan Perimekar Sdn Bhd merangkumi perkhidmatan koordinasi dan sokongan kepada Pasukan Projek dan pelatih pelatih kapal selam di Perancis dan Sepanyol. Nilai bahagian ini ialah EURO114.96 Juta.

Tuan yang di-Pertua,
Sekali lagi dinyatakan di Dewan Yang Mulia ini, Kementerian TIDAK PERNAH membayar sebarang bayaran komisen sama ada secara langsung atau tidak langsung kepada mana mana syarikat dalam perolehan Kapal Selam Scorpene.
Perolehan kapal selam tersebut telah dibuat secara runding terus selaras dengan tatacara perolehan Kerajaan dengan Syarikat Pembuat iaitu Perancis dan Sepanyol yang telah mendapat persetujuan Kerajaan masing masing.

Kenyataan Ahli Parlimen Lembah Pantai bahawa dua buah kapal selam Scorpene dibeli dari Syarikat Thales International adalah TIDAK BENAR. Kementerian Pertahanan TIDAK mempunyai sebarang maklumat mengenai DAKWAAN penjualan dokumen yang dikatakan RAHSIA oleh Syarikat Terasasi ( Hong Kong ) kepada Syarikat Thint Asia (Thales International ) yang didakwa bernilai EURO36 Juta.
Kementerian juga TIDAK mempunyai maklumat DAKWAAN bayaran secara berkala daripada hint Asia kepada Syarikat Terasasi ( Hong Kong ) Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Ahli Parlimen Lembah Pantai telah menyarankan supaya Kerajaan dan Kementerian Pertahanan perlu mengambil beberapa langkah antaranya;

1) menjelaskan apakah benar maklumat dikesan keluar daripada Malaysia; Sepanjang pengetahuan Kementerian, sehingga kini TIADA maklumat yang dikesan keluar dari Malaysia.

2) samada Kerajaan Malaysia akan memohon untuk menjadi wakil pemerhati di Mahkamah 'Tribunal de Grande Istance' Perancis untuk mendapat akses kertas pembuktian yang dirujuk oleh SUARAM;
Kerajaan Malaysia difahamkan TIADA PERBICARAAN berlangsung di Perancis berhubung isu kapal selam Scorpene. Justeru, TIDAK TIMBUL soal Kerajaan akan memohon menjadi pemerhati.

3) menubuhkan Suruhanjaya Bebas Diraja untuk menyiasat proses pembelian Scorpene jika terdapat unsur rasuah dan penjualan rahsia sulit negara;

Kerajaan berpendapat TIDAK PERLU menubuhkan Suruhanjaya Bebas untuk menyiasat pembelian kapal selam memandangkan pembelian kelengkapan Angkatan Tentera Malaysia (ATM) ini dibuat mengikut Tatacara Pelaksanaan Kontrak Kontrak Perolehan Peralatan Pertahanan Negara. Ia melibatkan pelbagai peringkat kelulusan termasuk Jawatankuasa Teknikal dan Jawatankuasa Rundingan Harga setelah penilaian yang teliti dibuat demi memastikan perolehan tersebut menepati keperluan ATM.

Selain itu rujukan juga dibuat kepada Jabatan Peguam Negara bagi mendapatkan kelulusan keatas klausa klausa kontrak tersebut. Semua terma dan kelulusan untuk rundingan terus dikemukakan kepada Kementerian kewangan untuk kelulusan.

4) Kerajaan Malaysia juga perlu menyokong usul reformasi Parlimen agar sistem Jawatankuasa Tetap termasuk untuk Pertahanan diwujudkan demi menjamin segala urusan penting Kerajaan bebas dari rasuah dan pengkhianatan;

Kerajaan berpendapat TIDAK PERLU untuk menubuhkan Jawatankuasa Tetap Parlimen untuk Pertahanan. Ini adalah kerana sebarang rancangan pembelian kelengkapan tentera adalah dinyatakan dalam anggaran belanjawan pembangunan yang mana dibahas dan diluluskan oleh Parlimen. Proses perolehan aset juga adalah tertakluk kepada peraturan peraturan yang ditetapkan oleh Kerajaan seperti Arahan Perbendaharaan dan Tatacara Prosedur Kewangan.

Kerajaan juga berpandangan proses perolehan yang melibatkan kelengkapan pertahanan yang strategik tidak wajar dibincangkan secara terbuka. Manakala itu, setiap perbelanjaan adalah tertakluk kepada pemeriksaan atau teguran Jabatan Audit Negara.

Sekian terima kasih
YB Dato' Seri Ahmad Zahid Hamidi
Menteri Pertahanan Malaysia

The Government is consistent but the Opposition keep changing their story and asking already answered questions.
to all readers

Here are the most intricate writing which debunked oppositions, SUARAM Kua Kia Soong and Tian Chua allegations on Scorpene submarine procurement..
they have been sidestepping many times.... first they said it was this and later it was another, being very inconsistent with their statement and allegations and up until today they still cant provide any proof to the so called scandals...…/debunking-scorpene……/debunking-scrpene-…

Sapa masih percaya altantuya mati sebab skandal scorpene...perimekar dapat komisen tu memang sama bodoh dengan Kua dan Tian Chua

end of part 1



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